Thursday, December 11, 2008

Tell us how you see it (for our spring 2009 issue)

Peace Family,

As you regular readers and supporters know, there are four staff members on The 14th Degree and Beyond Magazine, and we all moderate this Blog Spot, myself - Eboni Joy Asiatic, Victorious Lanasia, Civilized Zag, and SciHonor Devotion. And since there are four of us, we alternate weeks posting to the board. Civilized Zag held the reigns down last week, and this week is SciHonor's turn. However, our sister is incapacitated this week and so we decided to post one of our "TELL US HOW YOU SEE IT" questions that will be asked in our Winter 2008 issue "Then What Happened?" (due out on the 15th!!!), and your answers will be published in our Spring 2009 "Earth Appreciation" issue.

So, with that being said, how 'bout you tell us how you see...

Should Gods be allowed to attend Earth ciphers/classes? Why or why not?

Peace!
Eboni Joy

11 comments:

Critique Allah said...

PEACE!! Why Equal Self, most definitely. One, we can learn more about the earths and what's lacking in our ciphers. Even if we are there to only listen, plus sometimes women start getting into disagreements and if those disagreements are based on emotions and not facts, gods being present sometimes can point that out. Sometimes women live in emotion and finding a resolution to the problem is not on their mind. If she's upset, she may say things that will keep her upset as she reflects that emotion. Now I know some may say that the gods or men also get caught in emotions when building and this is true, yet being an outsider to the earths cipher, a god can be neutral. Not that gods would want to be in earth ciphers, cause me personally wouldn't attend often, yet I would attend to aid and assist if solutions are needed. Peace Critique Allah

Critique Allah said...

Peace,
Question, how can gods aid in bringing more earths to our nation ? Growing up, I remember parliaments packed with earths. I'll do anything to make that happen again. It brought balance to the cipher, maybe more arguements also- yet alot more building. Those Earths KNEW that this was their nation and they didn't act like an outsider like some do today. I just want my nation to have that foundation again. You know the saying... you can only raise a nation as high as it's woman. Many are called but the chosen are few, those chosen, chose themselves, so any on-lookers, newborns, know that this is not a religion. We don't have baptism or invitation ceremonies to make you feel a part, you have to "Know" you are a part. This is a way of life and the only way of life which is to see thing mathematically, open your eyes and see things for what they are. If you don't understand what's being said or our culture, then it's your natural culture to find out for yourself, taking nothing on face value. First step, speak up-The squeaky wheel gets the oil. Peace

Kahsanjra: Back to the Foundation said...

Peace,
I don't think Gods should go to Earth ciphers because, that is the time when Earths build on any and everything dealing with her anatomy, such as physical, mental, social,emotional, ect. and she may want to share with her sisters. I do feel as though the Gods do need to learn about women but I don't think the Earth Cipher is the place to do that.I think Rallys and Parliments may be more appropriate for that. Mature Women deals with logic, and don't need a referee or to be monitored.

Peace Sincere

Saladin Allah said...

Peace!

Ultimately, only Earths can answer this question. -smile- Now if they decide to let Gods be involved or not, it's to be respected. Period.

Saladin

The 14th Degree and Beyond said...

Peace,

To respond to CRITIQUE first - I'm sure you don't see the following whilst making your statement, however, to think that women who disagree will automatically go off on a tangent based on emotions rather than logic, and to believe that it will take a man's interjection to bring about peace and order is condescending. We are talking about EARTHS, women with knowledge of self, who are trained to think before speaking or acting, who have it drilled into them that "women are emotional" and thus spend their re-birth into knowledge of self striving to deal in 1 before the 2 rather than 2 before the 1 and allow logic and reason to guide their words and actions rather than emotion. And, if in fact the sisters disagreeing cannot come to an understanding, other sisters present are usually qualified to (1) remain objective and (2) make knowledge born that things are getting ugly and we need to regroup and refocus and take the conversation back to 1 before understanding can be born.

As for Gods being able to listen and learn from the cipher - that's why parliaments are universal - for man, woman and child - and why Earths need to be encouraged (if not mandated) to build at rallies/parliaments among the Gods. This exercise will make them better able to express their knowledge and understanding thru wisdom, and will give them a platform to share what they know with the Gods. On top of that, Gods' Earths SHOULD BE attending Earth Classes/Ciphers and taking what they learn back to the home so that they Gods DO INDEED benefit from the lesson.

As for learning "more about the earths", that requires an open ear and humble demeanor, cause all brothas have to do is listen - listen to us speak, read what we write... the secrets of feminine guiles are not secret at all.

To respond to SALADIN - yes, you're right. However, in a patriarchal society like ours those words aren't easy to live by because when a sista's decision goes against what a God commands she is labeled "rebellious" and told to "choose another nation that'll knowledge YOU [the woman] as God". Part of it is lack of uniformity among women, we show support among each other but when we go home to our God, or are even among Gods at rallies, the solidarity is destroyed because the sisters who speak out and can prove their point are labeled "rebellious" and can even be officially "silenced" for a period of time. Silenced because she cannot be proven wrong, and thus cannot be debated... but to save face and maintain dominance the brothas clip her wings. This is real!

KAHSANJRA is right - that often issues dealing with personal health are discussed, medical procedures - I mean everything from easing cramps to cystic fibroids to STDs can and are discussed and sisters are more comfortable discussing those things among each other. In fact, it's hard enough to be upfront about personal issues with sistas - cause as stated above, half of them take everything that's said back to their man - so who wants their business in the street among the whole nation??? On top of that, the Earth Class - at least the one here in Allah's Garden (Atlanta) - IS A CLASS... their is an agenda for each cipher, and a subject taught/learned in each one also. Each sista gets the chance to practice her teaching skills by heading the glass on a subject of her choosing. Brothas already monopolize rally building time... this is OUR time and just as "men's business" should be respected so should "women's business".

Peace,
Eboni Joy Asiatic

Saladin Allah said...

Peace!

Oh well. -shrugs- Hopefully there will be enough so-called 'rebellious' Earths who'll speak up and travel this difficult terrain to cause a shift in this often "fine mist-sogynistic" (8/1-40) attitude in Black Men; I'm raising two of them!! -smile-

Saladin

SUNEZ said...

Peace,

This is a very peace blog. Great viewpoints, questions and insights.

My answer is best befitting the teaching of a course. In this case, the curriculum and direction should be proposed and open for all to know about. However, it is up to the instructor to decide whom shall attend the course and everyone who works at the school must support that.

The Earth instructing should expect many challenges and confrontations unique to her but they are hardly foreign to any other instructor not an "established" male elder in the Nation. This has been my personal experience teaching at Allah School in Mecca.

Peace,
Sunez Allah

I Wisdom said...

PEACE,

True indeed!! We are the first teachers correct? Does that teaching stop at any given time or does it continue throughout our development? THe GODS should be allowed to come to the Earth Ciphers, I say that be(the)cause in dealing in 360 as we teach we learn. What better way to educate the GODS on how to properly deal with the Earth than to have him learn from the Earth. I know most GODS do not feel that they can learn anything from the Earth, they can only teach US (pardon self for the *7's that are not like that, BUT there are some of you that are, I have come across some personally, if that does not apply to you then just dont claim it)BUT this culture teaches us that we are born twice, first through the wombs of our mothers then through the womb of ISLAM. With that being said, straight out the womb, the women is the first teacher. (I know I will get bashed for this lol, BUT this is how I cee it at my current level of 3). Let me clarify, when I say, teacher, I dont mean that GOD gets his light from us, Now Cipher. I am just saying that AS we teach we learn, point blank. So for the GOD's to be in attendance at the Earth Ciphers and or classes would give them the opportunity to really do the knowledge to who, what and why we are.
Also on another note, their presence can only strengthen the cipher, the direct light would be a great add on. At times Sisters we know that we can come to some pretty different understandings on things and our emotions can surely change the current, with the GODs there, they can add that balance that is so essential for delevopment and growth and be the light that we may need to see the situation clearly.
That is how I cee it.
On that I will say PEACE.
We do not deal with mysteries so I am publishing my name to this, just be mindful that this is how I cee it, not necesarily how it is;>).
10 and 11 fam.

I Wisdom ReflectSun Earth

The 14th Degree and Beyond said...

Peace Fam!

This is Eboni Joy Asiatic, and I want to first say pardon self for the hiatus... winter of 08 going into 09 has been quite a busy season! I'm thankful we haven't lost our blog readership in that time, a whole lotta comments have been posted in the past week and we're grateful for the input.

SUNEZ, I've heard a great many things about your classes in Mecca and so I KNOW that your input is just and vauable... thank you for adding on!

I WISDOM, on a personal tip I'm glad to have learned that your journey to the north has been a safe one. I love your children and they will be (and HAVE BEEN) greatly missed! In regards to your comment, I agree that we - Gods/Earths - benefit from each others' wealth of knowledge, in regards to different topics and in different settings. However, I'm not sure that what you described your vision of an Earth Cipher is much different that what a rally/parliament should be? How WOULD that make an Earth Cipher different than a rally? And if it doesn't make it any different, then should we have "Earth Ciphers" at all and perhaps just stick to rallies and Civilization/120 Classes?

Peace,
Eboni Joy Asiatic

I Wisdom/www.myspace.com/nfnitewisdom360 said...

PEACE Eboni Joy,

Give thanks for the response and your input as to how you cee it.
In response to your response, I do cee the need for and appreciate the Earth Ciphers (or should I say Earths getting together to 8 on important topics, Nation Business and or whatever need be addressed for that particular cipher, (Sisterhood, Universal Love, acceptance of newcomers & Build Powers and patience for Earths that are striving to correct their existence within the culture are great ones, just to note), pardon self for my words maybe incinuating that I don't or did not cee and or respect that need. As far as the GODS being present, I still cee their presence very benificial in the ciphers, here in Born, the entire fam is welcome and do attend the GOD Ciphers, 17's included, (havent had the pleasure to attend the 17 cipher as of yet so I will not speak on who is in attendance of them), do we sit in on the ciphers, Now Cipher, BUT our presence, as I stated in my response in regard to the original blog, is there and provides balance. You cee it works both ways. Each cipher is dictated differently, and each individual within that cipher is at a different state of 3, this is mine on the subject. Again, give thanks for your 3 on that, I will definately take it into consideration as I do the one continuously and grow daily in life, my studies, my development-mentally and physically. My return to Born Mecca was a safe one and a highly anticipated one for self and the seeds, all are content with the move. 11th jewel to you Queen, willfully when I return to the Garden for a visit we can do lunch, Harmony maybe;>)

vic said...

The Gods should be present as a security force Only.